Monday, March 9, 2009

At Long Last, The Video



9 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hooray, hooray! Big victory for free speech.

But, maybe, it's also time to honor free speech by actually *listening* to what was spoken? I mean part of the value of free speech is to expose the worthlessness of some ideas, by letting them be heard. And the total whackjob comments asserted by David--that "all over the place" there is a "pattern" of "institutional tolerance of adult-child sexual relationships," the institution presumably being Planned Parenthood--you really want to defend those comments as admirable free thought?

Or, are you just content to be proud?

David Daleiden said...
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David Daleiden said...

Hi Anonymous,

During your thorough, calm evaluation of my statements, you will likely find this map (http://liveaction.org/violations) and the accompanying documentation helpful. Also be sure to look into Mark Crutcher's 2002 statistical study of over 800 U.S. abortion clinics that found that 91% were willing to cover up statutory rape.

As a supporter of the free exchange of ideas, I would be happy to talk about this subject with you further if you shoot me an e-mail.

--David

Anonymous said...

You are all worthless pieces of shit for posting this. Did you not read the letter stating that all copies had to be surrendered to Pomona College OCL? Fuck you.

Anonymous said...

David, you want my email address, is that what you want?

You are a single-issue fanatic. Others on your side, who share your goals, think it's okay to terrorize and kill in furthance of those goals. You, yourself, believe your actions toward others constrained not by decency, kindness, consideration, or fairness, but rather by the requirements of the law.

You'll forgive me if I don't want to put my email address in your hands.

The reason your expressed points in a forum where you decently, kindly, considerately, and fairly knew you would be as a skunk at a dinner party--a videotaping skunk!--are "whackjob" is because you have next to no concern about adult-child sexual relationships, but rather see that issue as a hot flame with which you can try to burn abortion supporters. (Before you protest that you have great concern for sexually abused children: really David? what else are you doing, other than trying to restrict free access to abortions, to alleviate the scourge of child sexual abuse? Do you *really* think fighting Planned Parenthood is the effort most suited to helping sexually-abused kids?)

Now, about your map, which you suspect I, in my hysteria, will miss: 14 instances across the country where an abortion-providing institution provided . . . provided what? . . . oh, ABORTIONS!, allegedly without complying with notification requirements. Oops. Wait. Not even 14, because the Idaho, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and one of the Ohio points on the "violations" map don't even purport to be that. So, what do we have? Ten? Ten alleged instances of reporting failure.

Hmmm. It couldn't be because an abortion providing organization, one dedicated to free access to abortions, was furthering that central organizational mission, could it? It *must* be a pattern of institutional tolerance of adult-child sexual relationships. That clearly is the leap that makes the most sense.

And that leap, David, is only strengthened, isn't it, by the interactions you've had with Planned Parenthood advocates? I mean, you can see it in their eyes, can't you? A rapacious thirst for tolerating adult-child sexual relationships. That woman you videotaped, it's *clear*, isn't it, that she is driven by a passion for enabling adult-child sexual relationships. It's a wonder you were able to sit so close to, and surreptitiously videotape, such a monster.

David, in my list of qualities you do not consider yourself bound by in your relations with others, when you see yourself furthering your anti-abortion aims, lets add "honesty."

Robert B. said...

the part that gets me the most is at about the 3 minute mark when she excuses failing to report statutory rape because the situation was real emotional. cuz you know, its clearly in the girls best interest that those supposedly there to help them turn to blind empathy first, instead of doing the right thing and protecting her from abuse.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for demonstrating, once more, the intellectual and moral vacuity of "conservatism". You show no concern whatever for the welfare of the kids who have to resort to PP for deeply distressful reasons. You only wish to emphasize "sexual abuse" as a stick to beat pro-choice people with. Why don't you worry a bit more about the ongoing tolerance for sexual abuse, en masse, by such "conservative" outfits as the Catholilc Church? Or do you approve of the excommunication of the Brazilian parents and doctors who arranged an abortion for a 9-year-old girl who was pregnant, with twins, from a rape?

Moreover, freedom of speech at a public event does not entail the privilege of taking over a forum for 12 minutes or so, to the exclusion of any other voices. You asked a couple of questions; they were answered clearly and without hostility. It was time for you to shut the hell up.

Pomona College acted badly, but you acted worse.

Fossil
NYC

The Jimbo said...

Hey David and anonymous,

I've just used up a bunch of time reading all the accounts of this story. I'm a student at Mudd. Regardless of where this thread goes as far as debating abortion, which an issue that is convoluted, emotional and controversial... I'd just like to voice my approval for how well spoken and polite you remained in the video. Yes, your motives for taping the event may have been as "sinister" as allowing others to view the event later to increase awareness of the issue and advance your agenda.

I guess I'm just tired of people being so adversarial when talking to people of different opinions, and it was wonderful to see a courteous exchange. Best of luck, man!

The Jimbo said...

Hey David and anonymous,

I've just used up a bunch of time reading all the accounts of this story. I'm a student at Mudd. Regardless of where this thread goes as far as debating abortion, which an issue that is convoluted, emotional and controversial... I'd just like to voice my approval for how well spoken and polite you remained in the video. Yes, your motives for taping the event may have been as "sinister" as allowing others to view the event later to increase awareness of the issue and advance your agenda.

I guess I'm just tired of people being so adversarial when talking to people of different opinions, and it was wonderful to see a courteous exchange. Best of luck, man!